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The CUInsight Network podcast: Activation gap – Swaystack

Featuring Har Rai Khalsa, Co-Founder and CEO of Swaystack

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“The exciting part of life is innovating—creating, filling the gap where previously there was a void.” - Har Rai Khalsa

Thank you for tuning in to The CUInsight Network, with your host, Robbie Young, Vice President of Strategic Growth at CUInsight. In The CUInsight Network, we take a deeper dive with the thought leaders who support the credit union community. We discuss issues and challenges facing credit unions and identify best practices to learn and grow together.

My guest on today’s show is Har Rai Khalsa, Co-Founder and CEO of Swaystack. He joins me for a conversation about a challenge which many credit unions quietly wrestle with: turning new accounts into real, active relationships. Har Rai’s path into fintech wasn’t exactly the one he imagined as a kid. Like a lot of young athletes, he once pictured himself going pro, inspired by legends such as Derek Jeter. Instead, his career began in lending, where he spent years learning the mechanics of onboarding, underwriting, and the systems which power financial institutions. He also explains how that experience eventually led him to build technology solutions for financial institutions and ultimately launching Swaystack.

In our conversation, Har Rai shares how his team approached building their company and how—rather than assuming that they knew what credit unions needed—they began by asking a lot of questions. In their early conversations with credit unions, a surprising theme revealed itself: growth wasn’t actually the real problem. Many institutions were opening plenty of accounts, but far too many of those accounts were going inactive within months. We discuss why those first 90 days after opening an account are so incredibly important. Hear how onboarding responsibilities are scattered across departments such as marketing, retail, lending, and digital—yet no one actually owns the outcomes that matter most: balances, transactions, and direct deposit adoption.

As we wrap up the episode, Har Rai talks about how he appreciates a nice car, the cities he loves to visit, a book recommendation, and more! I hope that you enjoy my conversation with Har Rai Khalsa!

Shout-out: Har Rai’s father
Place mentioned: Brooklyn, NYC, NY
Shout-out: Harvard University
Shout-out: New York Yankees
Shout-out: Derek Jeter
Shout-out: Little League Baseball
Shout-out: MK Decision
Shout-out: Alchemy
Place mentioned: Dallas, Texas
Shout-out: Finovate
Shout-out: Chase
Shout-out: GAC
Shout-out: Mark Forbis
Shout-out: Jack Henry
Shout-out: Porsche
Shout-out: McLaren Automotive
Place mentioned: California
Book mentioned: Never Split the Difference by Chris Voss
Shout-out: FBI

[1:11] – A former aspiring athlete, Har Rai built lending software before launching Swaystack for credit unions.
[3:18] – Hear about how early credit union conversations revealed onboarding activation and not cross-selling was the real problem to solve.
[5:51] – Har Rai argues that inactive new accounts often stem from weak onboarding experiences and not strong enough incentives to switch primary banking.
[7:38] – Onboarding success ultimately improves when credit unions assign clear ownership for metrics such as balances and transactions.
[9:28] – Har Rai discusses the importance of quality partners, effective digital channels, and targeted outreach.
[12:19] – What are Swaystack’s goals for the near future?
[13:25] – Har Rai credits Mark Forbis for being a great leader.
[14:59] – Hear why Har Rai strongly recommends Chris Voss’ book Never Split the Difference.
[15:38] – Har Rai views work and life as intertwined, focusing on impact while maintaining simple wellness habits during travel.
[16:58] – In closing, Har Rai asserts that credit unions should trust innovators to build new solutions that address challenges which traditional software never solved.