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The CUInsight Experience podcast: Courage with John Bratsakis (#214)

“It’s not about you—and if you remember that, you’re making it about the people you serve.” – John Bratsakis

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Welcome to episode 214 of The CUInsight Experience podcast with your hosts, Randy Smith, co-founder of CUInsight, and Jill Nowacki, President and CEO of Humanidei.

This episode is sponsored by The Sheeter Group - a leading executive benefits firm that meets your retention and succession needs. This includes non-qualified benefit plans, short and long-term incentive plans, compensation studies, scorecard design, performance evaluation, and more. Learn more at sheetergroup.com.

In this season, Jill and I will have conversations centered around leadership, credit unions, and living our best lives. We will have some of the most respected leaders from around credit unions who we are grateful to call friends join us in the discussion from time to time too.

In this episode, we are joined by John Bratsakis, President & CEO of Maryland & DC Credit Union Association. We explore the power of vulnerability, uncertainty, and imperfection as essential parts of leadership that really need to be embraced, not avoided. John shares how he has dealt with leading through challenging times by leaning into his humanity rather than trying to have all the answers.

Listen as John reflects on pivotal moments in his career when he had to admit that didn't know what to do and how that helped open the door to more authentic, collaborative leadership. He shares how a tragic loss on his team taught him the importance of leading with compassion and how navigating a tough time in history with his staff required embracing vulnerability as well as a willingness to accept the fact that they did not have all the solutions.

As we discuss, this shift from trying to be the perfect, all-knowing leader to embracing one's own humanity is a journey which many of us face. We also reflect on our own experiences with leaders who modeled authenticity as opposed to those who tried to project an image of perfection.

Ultimately, the key takeaway is that true leadership is not about having all the answers but is rather about creating a safe space for collaboration, learning, and growth—even (or especially) when we don't know what the right path forward is. By showing up with both vulnerability and intentionality, we give our teams permission to do the same—unlocking creativity, empathy, and the best of what we can collectively achieve!

Happy listening, and, as always, please feel free to reach out to us with our own thoughts and/or questions! Enjoy our conversation with John Bratsakis!


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Place mentioned: Washington, DC
Shout-out: George Floyd
Shout-out: Michelle Byrnie-Parker
Shout-out: GAC
Shout-out: David Miller
Shout-out: Robbie Young
Shout-out: Tracie Kenyon
Place mentioned: Greece
Place mentioned: Detroit, MI
Shout-out: Barry Sanders
Place mentioned: Chicago, IL
Shout-out: Andre Lucas
Shout-out: Walter Payton
Jill’s CUInsight article mentioned: “Want to be perfect? Or better?”
Shout-out: Tom Greve
Shout-out: Paul Gentile
Previous guests mentioned: Renée Sattiewhite (#52, #197, #206); Mike Valentine (#128, #204); Patty Corkery (#112, #213)

[2:02] – A moment of raw honesty sparked John’s journey toward authentic leadership among racial reckoning after George Floyd’s murder.
[5:01] – John, rather than act alone, quickly sought out collaborative, intentional, and compassionate action.
[7:59] – Jill highlights the importance of patience over urgency when dealing with uncertainty and leading through uncertainty.
[10:13] – Effective leadership requires constant learning and awareness beyond a one-size-fits-all approach.
[13:06] – John reflects on the difficulty and value of leading authentically while climbing the professional ladder.
[15:07] – Jill believes that authentic leadership = consistency.
[18:36] – John recalls learning empathy via professional failure and the unexpected death of a colleague.
[21:18] – Randy found peace and authenticity by rejecting performative leadership and embracing his true self.
[23:19] – Jill reflects on how early career examples shaped her view on authenticity and the value of being human.
[26:03] – Randy challenges traditional leadership by urging hesitant leaders to embrace vulnerability as strength and not weakness.
[29:21] – Jill reflects on how newer leaders must unlearn perfectionism to create trust and connection.
[31:40] – John built trust by listening, showing up, and gradually earning respect as an unfamiliar outsider.
[34:42] – Jill argues that perfectionism is an obstacle for growth.
[36:05] – John encourages leaders to ask how they can improve and genuinely act on feedback.
[39:38] – Jill, Randy, and John each offer their main takeaways from this conversation.